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  1. This is really interesting and helpful, Janet. I’m wondering how or whether runaway events are related to an issue of cameras that exhaust one or two batteries, while the others are still have a strong charge. Sometimes those cameras have runaway events, and sometimes not.
    But why would a camera drain one or two batteries, leaving the others high-charged? And why would this happen whether all the batteries were from the same new pack?
    Because of this issue, I’ve been in the habit of checking strength of all the batteries in a camera, discarding the drained ones, replacing the strong ones, and adding new, well-charged batteries as-needed. Based on this test, I should make sure all of the batteries are at the same relative strength. Still not sure why a camera would deplete one or two batteries.
    Thanks – Eric

    • Most of the commercial trail cams we use have an 8-AA Battery cartridge in which the cells are connected in series — that is, in a chain from a “minus” terminal on the cartridge, through each battery in turn, to a “plus” terminal for the cartridge. The amount of current through the chain is the same for all the batteries (just as the water flow in a hose is the same at any point along the hose). Charged batteries have the same voltage (~1.5/1.6 Volts), thus the power (voltage * current) is the same for all of the batteries. So I don’t think your any particular battery cell is supplying more than it’s share of power (or energy, over time). I think the way one ends up dead before the others is that it starts out with less charge in the first place, and therefore runs out before the rest. I am not aware of any battery tester that can accurately measure the state of charge for a Lithium Iron Disulfide (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) battery — and I have looked. I plan a future post on this topic including alot of discharge data from many “not new” batteries.

      On the plus side, if you have a setup that routinely generates runaways, this is a great opportunity for an experiment! You can try a solution which has been suggested by others providing feedback to my blog post: you can use an external battery pack (likely available for your camera), plugged into the “aux power” socket. If your setup is experiencing a runaway thermal event, the external battery pack will fix it — since the PIR sensor should be far enough away from the external battery not to trigger. If you still get runaways with an external battery, we need another theory 🙂

  2. Because you are talking about cameras with 8 batteries I would think most likely they would be commercially purchased trail cameras and not Homebrew DSLR’s you testing.

    It’s difficult to say what sensor these cameras are using. Operating ranges of DC power on the sensors I have looking at range from 2-6vdc. 8 battery camera would have an input voltage of around 12 to start with and as the batteries voltage dropped might be down to 9 or 10vdc when the camera reports them at 0% power remaining. I would like to know what this voltage setting for 0% remaining is, any idea? Have never tested it. This is some data I would like to see made available in the picture file data along with the file date and time, “Battery remaining”

    So somewhere on the board there must be a voltage regulator to set the voltage correctly for the sensor. If this were to drift voltage may fall below the minimum voltage especially during high usage triggers like when the LEDs are being driven.

    Also it takes some time for the sensor to stabilize once voltage is applied. Some data sheets I have looked at say up to 45 seconds. (Wonder if this is the real reason why cameras have countdown timers when you turn them on?) During this time the sensors are prone to false trigger. So what may be happening is that the voltage regulator is drifting outside of the operating range of the sensor during swings in temperature. These input voltage fluctuations causing the sensor to restart and during this wakeup time triggering the camera to take photos, again, over and over.

    Just a WAG at what might be happening.

    • The voltage at which the “battery meter” reads 0% varies a little by camera manufacturer, but is somewhere around 8 volts (1 volt per cell) for the Exodus and Browning cameras I’ve looked at.

      Agree that there is a voltage regulator for the sensor — likely independent of the voltage regular for the camera and microprocessor. The sensor voltage regular wants to be very efficient at very low power consumption; whereas the camera/microprocessor need a regulator that is efficient at higher power levels. Easiest to accomplish this with two regulators.

      Agree re: required startup idle time for PIR sensor, during which time, it can’t be trusted. I think the firmware in the camera enforces this idle time (ignores the sensor input until power has been applied for some time). My guess is that if the battery voltage is too low to support the PIR sensor, it is first too low to support the (higher power) microprocessor. The dynamics of this hardware software system as the batteries die could certainly get complicated — with sensor computer and sensor cutting out, then rebooting. I never suspected that a battery pack could be so rich in possible behavior!

  3. I read this with interest, as I’ve had substantial frustration with this issue on a few cams, mainly Browning’s Advantage. I reluctantly solved the problem by delegating them to cool dark sites, where they seemed to NOT have any problem. After reading, I wished I tried running the cams on remote power pack, as I never considered the rise in internal temp as a possible cause. I shoot exclusively video clips so that adds another variable to the confusion…BUT,..My preferred settings are 10 length, with as short a delay as possible. Come to think of it, I do think I remember a Browning tech. suggest using a much longer delay, but this would greatly diminish the utility of the unit.
    My observations vary somewhat from the Writer’s in that the run-on exposures happened mostly during the warmest / brightest hours of the day… like 10am.-4pm….even on overcast, perfectly calm days. I almost never had a problem at night. ( even in Summer, night are cool here ) The “series” seemed to be started by a legitimate trigger. The MOST problematic setting seemed to be large overview sites, eg. a field from a high perspective. Thanks for all the research work, and sharing. Several of My favorite cameras would be a lot more versatile if I could get a handle on eliminating the run-on issue.

  4. Thanks for sharing your experience — Janet also likes the “long burst, short recovery time” setting. If you end up trying a remote battery pack, I’m interested in the result. It does create a more complicated set, and with it the opportunity to get one more thing not get quite right 🙁

  5. I’ve had Energize Ultimate Lithium batteries that seemed bad right out of the package. They lasted less than a month in a commercial trail camera (Bushnell), so I checked the voltage of each individual battery — six were around 1.2, but the other two were at 0.8 volts. A second package of eight purchased at the same store did the same in a Browning camera with roughly the same voltage result. I now check each package of batteries before putting them in a camera.

    With my homebrews when the batteries powering the control board have markedly dropped in voltage the boards trigger the camera repeatedly until the memory cards are full.

    • Very interesting. Since you started checking batteries before putting them into the camera, have you found any that are at a lower voltage right out of the package? While checking new batteries at one point, I did find a couple of cells which my tester called out as “partially charged” (based on two voltage measurements). I subsequently discharged these to a known load while recording voltage in the lab. Although they were lower voltage than the other new ones in the package, the discharge test showed they exceeded the specified capacity. Thus, I do not have a “smoking gun” — a battery from a new package that I have tested under controlled conditions, which failed to meet capacity specification.

      For homebrews, which control board are you using?

      • The two packs of Energizers that apparently had two bad cells each were bought at a chain home improvement store at the same time. Since then I’ve purchased the lithiums at a neighborhood hardware store and a supermarket and they’ve all been fine, lasting about six months in my commercial trail cameras. Most of my Browning cameras are run on rechargable batteries, but I use lithiums in the winter; my Bushnells won’t run on rechargables so they always have lithiums.

        I’ve built homebrews using Bigfoot, Snapshot Sniper II, CritterGetter, Safari and GameWatcher boards and they all behave the same way when the board batteries’ voltage drops significantly. All those boards are powered with rechargable AAA or rechargable 9v batteries; I rewired the SS II boards to run on three AAAs.

        • Thanks, Woody for the info. I’m glad that you have been having success with most recent batches of lithiums. I will keep an eye out on our home-brew front. We have used the SSII with it’s own “mini” Lithium cell with success. Have not seen this problem — possibly because have not had that cell wear out recently (we don’t have nearly as many camera-hours on the HBs as on the commercial Trail Cams).

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