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  2. Another extraordinarily helpful/educational (now I know a bit more about LEDs!) and well-written post. And more proof that Bob should be a paid consultant for Browning 😉

    • Thanks! Although, to be fair to Browning, why would they pay a “consultant” who keeps posting this information for free? 🙂 Now, if I started working on another type of camera…

  3. Great to hear that overheating is unlikely, but I’ve noticed a different problem: My HP5s have started burning through lithium batteries at a tremendous clip now that ambient temps have dropped below freezing. I’ve never experienced anything like this with the previous Browning models. Wondering if the LED aspect is somehow resulting in use of way more juice at cold temps?

    • I have not seen this behavior on our HP5s (several have which have been out in the winter). Can you provide more details:

      1. Verify that batteries were new (or of some known state) when installed
      2. Number of Photos and/or videos duration taken on a single charge; number and/or duration of night time photos/videos
      3. IR flash intensity settings
      4. What happens when you pick the camera up? I assume batteries are dead on pickup?
      5. Have you had any issues reading photos/videos from the SD cards on these cameras?

  4. Hi Bob,
    opening recently a chinese trail cam I’ve found a thermal resistor on the led pcb. I guess to stop flash in case of self-heating of the pcb due to the led.
    I wonder if Browning uses that kind of circuitry that allow to have longer night video without dammage thanks to this thermal protection.
    I guess no & I expect they will use it in a future generation (as it is done on all smartphone on the several daughter board such as illuminator)

    • Hmmm. I’m not aware of any Browning cameras which actively monitor the temperature of the IR LED PCB. These cameras do monitor the temperature of the main PCB, but I think this is aimed at preventing overheating (and damage) of the SoC processor. Based on my extensive testing of the HP5 models, the thermal design (which features an aluminum-clad PCB and surface mount high power LEDs) supports continuous use of the IR LEDs under all practical environmental conditions. I explore this in excruciating detail in Deep Tech: Will Long Night Videos Damage the Browning Elite HP5 Trail Cameras?. I suspect that as long as a good thermal design is less expensive than adding a thermistor and additional connections, Browning will keep doing so.

      PS: This is not the reason that Browning factory firmware limits night time video length to 20 seconds. It could be to save battery power, or it could be because some earlier version of the IR LED driver required such limiting? When I created new firmware that bypassed this limit, I spent a lot of time with the IR LED driver on the Edge, HP4, and HP5 to make sure I wouldn’t damage the camera. Which was genesis for post above.

  5. Hi ! Firstly, Thanks a lot for your Firmware and all techinical informations about the HP5 Browning. I must warn here about a issue due to quite low temperatures. Actually I placed around 5 HP5 in the forest in the moutains around to observe wolves. 3 Hp5 are working properly in winter and 2 have big problems as soon as temperatures are going below maybe -5° Celcius. Batteries goes down very quickly and the camera stopped working after few videos. After a while in cold it doesn’t’t start again or after serveral minutes.

    • Interesting! This is the second time this week I’ve heard about HP5’s not triggering in cold weather. In the other case, the camera owner was able get his cameras to work by setting the temperature units to “Fahrenheit” instead of “Celsius”.

      Based on a quick inspection of the firmware, my hypothesis is that an “over temperature” check done in the firmware is getting confused by negative values for temperature due to some binary representation bug. The C scale goes negative at higher temperature than the F scale, so that’s where the bug is showing up when in Celius mode, and not when using Fahrenheit mode.

      Here’s an experiment you can do at home to test my hypotheis and help debug this problem:

      1. Configure one of your failing HP5s to use Fahrenheit, and the other to use Celsius units. Put a piece of opaque tape over the light sensor to the right of the PIR detector (this to ensure the camera will take flash-assisted videos – a necessary condition for the over-temp check). Set both cameras to take 5 second videos with a 5 second delay. After you’ve done all this, turn the cameras off and remove the batteries.
      2. Put both cameras in the freezer (nominal temperature 0 F, -18C) overnight (without batteries.)
      3. Remove both cameras from the freezer, install some new batteries, and trigger them simultaneously as they warm up – maybe once every 2-5 minutes until they are much above freezing (maybe 60 minutes?). If these are 7E-HP5s you should be able to see the red glow from the IR flash to confirm they are triggering. If you are using the no-glow 8E-HP5s, you may need to view the flashes with your iPhone camera viewfinder.
      4. Check the SD cards.
      a. Did both cameras trigger the right number of times?
      b. Does the camera set to “Celsius” (or F) trigger whe the temperature value is below 0? [as shown on info strip of recorded video]

      Alternatively, if you’d rather, you can just try changing the temperature units to F in your cameras and deploying them in the field. The experiment above will give us a controlled result sooner, but just trying a different camera setting in the field may get you to wolf captures sooner.

      -bob

      PS: When they failed, were your cameras set for “Photo” or “Video”?

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