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  1. Thanks for the detailed and unbiased review. I was in the ” Stand By Mode ” wanting to replace a number of cameras with the Ultra. I’ll put that on hold for a while.

    Thanks Again
    Jim

    • Glad you found this useful, Jim. It was a disappointing review to write 🙁 Hopefully, I will have to publish a an update with better news soon.

      PS: Janet and I really like seeing your captures from MA!

  2. Thanks, Bob,
    Unfortunately, we’re not getting our money’s worth at the moment. But I hope Browning has got to work on it. They’ve proven themselves capable of quickly adapting firmware after the first complaints about the HP5 Ultra started pouring in. Although I fear that Browning will only really tackle all the problems once sales collapse…
    Who on the development team came up with the ridiculous idea of removing the 1080P 60fps setting (present on the HP5 classic) and leaving only the 30fps option on the HP5 Ultra? This is truly incomprehensible.
    Browning really needs to be careful not to lose its reputation and market share, because there are already cheaper brands with a Sony Starvis on the market. Customers who abandon a brand do not return quickly. We have already seen Moultrie almost completely disappear from the scene, while Bushnell, fortunately, quickly realised that they had made mistakes and have at least taken action. But whether the owner of Browning (Prometeus) really cares about what the small trail camera division is doing remains to be seen.
    For now, I am giving Browning the benefit of the doubt. The Sony Starvis does offer the possibility of achieving very good results, which would allow Browning to remain one of the top choices for many trail camera users.
    PS. Bob, do they still have that same small internal (problem) battery installed in the HP5Ultra?

    • Thanks, Gerard! I’ve just learned more about the complex tech supply chain it takes to design and build one of these cameras — so many opportunities for failure. The subject of a future post. In the meantime, I’m 100% with you on Browning/Prometheus dropping the ball on this. Market share disappears in a heart beat, takes a long time to win back! Perhaps this will spur them to add an “image quality” sign-off criterion to their contracts with their suppliers.

      And, yes, looks like same small ultra cap powering the RTC during battery swaps; same SMD PCB tech.

  3. Hi Bob,
    Even if software does a lot in imaging module, I’m wondering if the Icatch v55 is good enough to work with imx675 sensor.
    Other trail cam manufactuter such as izeeker are using Novatek 96670 which seems to be really better.
    What do you think?
    Nicolas.

    • Reminder that I haven’t been able to find a spec sheet for the iCatchTek V55, so I’m basing my response on the V57. Google Gemini rates the V57 is a “better” chip for trail camera applications. Here’s the prompt I used: “compare icatchtek v57 vs. Novatek NT96670 for trail camera applications”

      The Novatek part is an older. Gemini seems to think it as a Boot-wakeup speed of 1-3 seconds (vs. < 0.15 seconds for the V57). Do you see a really slow trigger time for the izeeker? The V57 has an onboard NPU for AI applications, missing in the Novatek part, though this appears not to be used in the HP5 Ultra (yet). Perhaps this indicates a strategic direction, though.

  4. Hi,
    I often use gemini but i take answers with some distance.
    For izeeker ig600 using this novatek multimédia processor, wakeup time is very speed & gives 0.2 0.3s for photo vidéo
    Did you notice hp5u trigger time for photo? It’s amazing, 0.04s!!! While vidéo is about 0.3s. I think stand-by mode is différent with the Icatch processor to wake up faster which explain higher stand-by current
    About 60uA vs 30uA for hp5
    Anyway, i do not explain so Bad vidéo quality for hp5 ultra.
    Hope they will understand that people doesn’t want hp5 u with lower quality than hp5.
    New sensor should give so good results, hope for new firmware update

    • Thanks for the info on the izeeker ig600. Sounds like Gemini was confused, and/or the engineers have worked around a limitation in the SOC.

      I did not measure the trigger time for photos or videos, but 40 ms would be excellent. Is this something you measured? I see that TCP lists it at 20 ms (even better!). I’ll definitely take a look at this when I update my review for the rumored second firmware update for this camera.

      I think the higher stand-by-current is because the V55 has its own “always on microcontroller”, as well as PIR sensor input. However, the HP5 Ultra also has the legacy discrete “always on” STM microcontroller which was required with earlier SOCs. My hunch is that the manufacture decided to keep the old mechanism in to limit risk, and reduce new firmware effort for the first product. It seems likely that they will use the new SOC function eventually, since it will allow them to remove the STM part from the BOM. This should substantially reduce standby power. In the meantime, the HP5 Ultra has a slightly higher standby power.

      • As I’m working for STM, I hope they will keep the legacy 🙂
        And yes I’m doing a lot of test for various trail camera such as consumption, trigger time, recovery, etc & the 40mS in photo mode is just awesome, even if for video it’s about the same as for hp5

        • Wait, what? STM shouldn’t be happy with the (disappearing) boot controller!

          Doesn’t STM have an SOC that competes with the iCatchTek or GTek SOCs?

          -bob

  5. 32 bits STM is sold in tenth of million units per year but I was very proud to see it in browning cam, even if very low volume. We’ll see what happen next.
    STM is a very large company with a lot of activities with a major american smartphone manufacturer… mainly in the imaging division I’m working for, but we do not design Soc, market is already saturated with asian manufacturer.

    • No – I get it (I once worked for Intel, after all). Still, it’s frustrating that the trail camera technology ecosystem is so vertical on Asian suppliers.

  6. Interesting stuff Bob. Have you found a way to have cameras write to storage that is not onboard, without needing one of the companies apps? I am looking into it now and see you have done way more research and trial than I have. Any insight is appreciated.

    • I have not done any reversing of cellular cameras. But that won’t stop me 🙂 My guess is that there is a configuration file on one of the embedded EEPROM based file systems which tells the camera who to talk to on the cellular network. In principle, if you can find this file, and update I with the address of your own “listener” you could grab the images directly.

      [If the network addess is built into the firmware image itself, as opposed to a configuration file, the task is *much harder*. This because it seems like most cameras are now using SOCs which support (cryptographically protected) “secure boot” to validate a firmware image]

      Of course, you would have to reverse engineer the protocol and build that into your listener.

      You will also have to deal with whatever authentication and security the camera vendor has built into their firmware images. This could range from generating a simple checksum, to hacking some cryptographic image protection.

      Some of the tools I built for reversing the firmware may be useful to you. Make sure to checkout post series Deep Tech: Hacking Trail Camera Firmware 1 — Overview, which includes pointer to my github site where all these tools live.

      If you decide to go down this path, happy to consult.

  7. Hi Bob, thanks as usual for sharing your detailed work on this. Incredibly disappointing to hear of ‘cryptographic barriers’ that will prevent you from doing Browning’s job for them as you have with the older HP5’s. All the best from Germany 🙂

    • Thanks. I have mixed feelings about the cryptographic barriers. On the one hand, it marks the end of a project. On the other hand, I have lots of other projects in mind. Stay tuned to see if any of them pan out.

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